Carbon Trading Ceremonies in Full Swing

Apenda Village Sing Sing 2nd. August, 2009

The official hand over ceremony on behalf of the 45,000 people of East Pangia FMA and extension area for Carbon Trading.

2nd August 2009 – Apenda Village, Pangia District People, Southern Highlands Province.

Timothy Tepi, Kirk Roberts & James Kond discuss carbon trading in the East Pangia Region – 02 Aug 2009

Following the official hand over ceremony on behalf of the 45,000 people of the East Pangia FMA and extension area for Carbon Trading Mr. Timothy Tepi, Chairman of the 274 ILG’s, Mr. James Kond, Koo Management and Vice President of the Highlands Region for the National Alliance Party, and Mr. Kirk William Roberts, of Nupan (PNG) Trading Corporation Limited, discuss carbon trading in the East Pangia Region and the long term effects on its people.
The ceremony was the first of its type in the world, and expresses the will of the 45,000 people of East Pangia who want to preserve their beautiful rain forests to create “a breath of fresh air” for the rest of the world.

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32 thoughts on “Carbon Trading Ceremonies in Full Swing

  1. Whether their approach to Carbon Trading is right or wrong, I’m very interested in tracking their developments until I’m ready to put my tree’s on the market.

    But very interesting developments.

    1. Emmanuel,

      Very interesting indeed.

      I sincerely hope our Apenda villagers from up there go in with full knowledge of all relevant facts, and not fall into the trap of neo-colonisation.

  2. By Ilya Gridneff
    PORT MORESBY, Sept 24 AAP – A Papua New Guinea governing party power broker was paid 200,000 kina ($A85,000), ultimately funded by Australian environment firm Carbon Planet, for “consultation” on carbon trading deals central to a pending investigation.

    James Kond, PNG’s ruling National Alliance (NA) party vice-president, received the money on May 14, 2008, as part of Carbon Planet’s $1.1 million spend with companies in PNG for carbon projects they predict are worth a billion dollars a year.

    Documents obtained by AAP show Carbon Planet’s money went through Hong Kong-based company Forest Top, that then paid a number of entities including Australian businessman Kirk Roberts and his PNG company Nupan and its local facilitator Kond.

    On April 16, 2008, Kond signed a memorandum of agreement with Forest Top, Roberts and Nupan assuring his work would earn him “10 per cent of the net cash flow generated from carbon credit sales”.

    Kond’s Western Highlands Province-based business Koo management was: “to liaise with and advise the PNG government” on Nupan’s deals that Carbon Planet would then broker for the global voluntary carbon market.

    Kond stands by the deal and says there was no conflict of interest.
    “It is a confidential business arrangement and none of your business about the way we do business,” he said.

    “I’ve been deputy NA leader for 10 years and doing my part to improve PNG and to help policy (and) there is no need for these investigations.

    “I have not dealt with Carbon Planet, I invited Kirk (Roberts) to PNG and receive money from Nupan as their country representative.”

    Adelaide-based Carbon Planet declined to respond to questions.
    Kond’s other Nupan responsibilities included: “to bring together all of the parties and other persons required to achieve the commercialisation of the carbon credits from the specific present and future projects in PNG”.

    In a series of letters obtained by AAP, Kond writes to Roberts on December 28, 2007, suggesting PNG’s Kamula Doso forest in Western Province and April Salome forest in East Sepik as potentially lucrative future carbon trading sites.

    “I will personally be there to assist you to secure endorsement of these projects for carbon trading from the PNG government as I am part of the PM Somare government through being an executive member of the NA ruling party that has direct influence on shaping government policy,” he writes.

    In February, 2008, Kond urges PNG Prime Minister Michael Somare to meet him and experts from Australia.

    “I am delighted to inform you we have already secured two projects for this carbon trading program,” he said.

    “I am now seeking a formal appointment … to brief you on this matter.”
    Somare’s media spokesperson Betha Somare, who has seen the letters, said: “The PM has never met Kirk Roberts or his associates”.

    AAP understands PM Somare’s then chief of staff Theo Yasause met Roberts and also met several members of Carbon Planet.

    Yasause later became PNG’s Office of Climate Change (OCC) director but was suspended pending an investigation that includes why the office went bankrupt in less than a year of operating.

    The investigation will also delve into a series of “sample” carbon trade documents Yasause signed as OCC director as well as a mandate to assure international carbon deals.

    Acting OCC director Wari Iamo in a newspaper advertisement on August 31 said PNG was waiting for United Nations endorsed carbon trading rules, expected after the Copenhagen climate summit in December.

    “Carbon trading agreements cannot be legally signed over these (PNG) lands until the government has put in place an appropriate policy and legal framework,” he said.

    Carbon Planet in July announced a merger with Australian publicly listed company m2m Group, saying they had 25 potential carbon trading projects in PNG that could generate $1 billion a year.

    But Carbon Planet has not said where their PNG projects are, what the landowners benefits are, nor do they recognise that the 800,000-hectare Kamula Doso forest is subject to a court injunction on projects.

    Carbon Planet’s merger with m2m is “continuing with some delay arising from the complicated and novel circumstances of this emerging industry,” m2m said in a statement.

    AAP

    1. The PNG kauboi’s name has finally been revealed. Thankyou Ilya Gridneff.

      What have you done with the K200k, James Kond? I hope its held in escrow until such time when a satisfactory deal is cut between all the parties concerned.

      CP shareholders should be asking their company whether any commercial due diligence was undertaken before paying this money? What are its terms and conditions? What are the deliverables attached to it?

  3. Robert Kirk & James Kond may have good intentions, but James Kond who has taken money from the PNG Govt using his position as the Deputy President for the National Alliances Party for the Highlands has used his position to obtain money about K2 million from the National Agricultural Development Programme (NADP) for his Company Koo Management for Coffee Rehabilitation in the WHP.

    Now look at that company Koo Management is defunct, all the K2 Million is gone, we donot know that money has gone to.

    NADP has been questioned about how the money was used by the Minister for Agrciculture and now National Planning Department has to come forward with the answers…..so its all National Alliance and James Kond is saying that PNG Govt has policy in place…on Climate Change,,,that is not correct, as the PNG OCCES is into all sorts of controveries….so we will see if Robert and James will deliever to the people of Pangia what they have been dreaming about…..whether they will really get the “Breath Fresh Air”….over to you educated PANGIAN’s and PNG in general.

    Bush Mangi

  4. As far as we are concerned, the issue of carbon trade is a complex issue. There are many unanswered questions about Kirk Roberts and Nupan, and Carbon Planet. How can someone go ahead and sign carbon deals when the legal and policy frameworks are not in place. To date there is no policy nor is there an act. A prposed bill has not been finalized. But in all these, we can see that Mr. Kond is trying to use his political position to get the thing through for Kirk Robers as far as his letter is concerned. ANd that is what is happening with the National Alliance Party, which is serving the interests of its executives and not the people it claims to serve.

    East Pangia people, do not sign your rights and life away unless you full understand whay you are doing. Ask what does James Kond or Kirk Roberts know about Carbon Trading.

    Liklik tingting tasol
    Observe

  5. These con artists need to be stopped. But then again is it a failing government that has not provided for the people that has triggered the sprouting and proliferation of these types of people who resort to every means possible to make a quick dollar at the expence of the the ignorant masses???

  6. This report from Australian Network News (written by one of our own local journalists) is a slap in the face for those of us who have been calling for our government to establish proper mechanisms to engage in carbon trading first before any deals can be struck.

    This NA government is so corrupt its left arm doesn’t know what the right is doing. No wonder the carbon cowboys get buy-in at amazing ease from people on the ground.

    Perhaps the call should now turn to “OPERATION RAUSIM NA”. We need a proactive, reliable and intelligent government to guide us through during a time when we have attracted unprecedented attention at all fronts from the global community. I don’t care whether the carbon trading idea was Michael Somare’s. If he doesn’t deliver, then he must go!

    Australia Network article is below.
    _________________________________________________

    PNG not prepared for Copenhagen talks

    Firmin Nanol, Port Moresby

    Papua New Guinea’s Government has admitted it is not ready for global climate change talks in Copenhagen next month, despite taking a lead on carbon emissions trading.

    The National Forest Authority has criticised the Government for having no climate action plan, and now the Environment and Conservation Department has admitted as much.

    The Office of Climate Change, tasked with developing a policy, is under investigation over claims it issued carbon trading certificates to international brokers, in the absence of national legislation.

    PNG leads a Coalition of Rainforest Nations that is advocating an initiative for industrialised countries to pay them to keep their forests for greenhouse emissions absorption.

    But international conservation groups say illegal and destructive logging continues in the country.

    PNG-based forests campaigner, Dorothy Tekwie, says the practice must be stopped, as only then will the international community trust PNG’s climate proposals at the Copenhagen talks.

  7. Carbon sale on
    Source:
    PATRICK TALU

    CONTROVERSIAL “carbon traders” James Kond and Robert Kirks claim they have signed up 92 projects in the country worth K20 million to be traded on the carbon market.
    Both men were speaking in Port Moresby on Tuesday to villagers who had travelled from different parts of the country for a public forum on carbon trading.
    Mr Kond is an executive of the ruling National Alliance party, while Mr Kirks is a former horse trainer from Australia.
    Both are partners in Nupan Trading, the company signing up villagers and their blocks of forests for carbon trade with promises of millions of kina.
    Mr Kond told the forum organised by the Department of Environment and Conservation (DEC) for awareness on the Copenhagen meet in December that there was nothing to hide as they were already in the process of trading carbon.
    Mr Kond said they did not need the Government’s approval to trade in the voluntary carbon market.
    “There exists a provision under the voluntary carbon market to trade without Government regulation. But the Government is denying that fact. This is stopping resources owners tapping into the opportunity to trade.
    “This provision allows for carbon trade outside of the regulated or compliance carbon market where any carbon deal or trade has to be regulated.
    “To put things on record, I have 92 projects nationwide at a cost of K20 million and the Government is denying this opportunity for the landowners to benefit directly from their forest resources,” Mr Kond said.
    He said under the voluntary carbon market, it did not require a trade policy and forest resources owners could directly trade right away with any buyers of their own preferences.
    Dorothy Tekwie, a forestry campaigner with Greenpeace Australia, did not agree with Mr Kond.
    Mrs Tekwie raised concerns over how carbon trading could take place when there was no policy framework in place for it, whether under the regulatory or the voluntary market.
    Gwen Sissiou, the DEC’s deputy secretary for policy coordination and evaluation, yesterday made it clear that any carbon trade activities were not sanctioned by the Government or the Office of Climate Change and Environmental Sustainability.
    She warned forest resources owners that any current carbon trading that was not recognised by the Government should cease until after the outcome of the Copenhagen deal when PNG would present its interim national climate change plan that covered all aspects of climate change and carbon trade.
    Mrs Sissiou said though they acknowledged the existence of the voluntary carbon market, it would be proper to have all carbon trading activities monitored for a long term benefits for the resource owners.

  8. And…

    PM orders probe into climate change office

    PRIME Minister Sir Michael Somare said a formal investigation has been established to review all aspects of policy, financial and human resources in the Office of Climate Change and Environment Sustainability (OCCES).
    He said this formal investigation was under the leadership of the acting secretary for the Department of Personnel Management supported by the Central agencies to review all aspects of the OCCES.
    The outcome of the policy review will provide a sound basis for restoring credibility to the work of OCCES and allow Government to move forward quickly to play an important role in the critical Copenhagen climate change talks later this year.
    “Until these reviews are completed and decisions are made by Cabinet regarding appropriate action, it is inappropriate for me to respond to specific allegations made by the leader of the Opposition,” the prime minister said.
    Sir Michael made the statement to Parliament in response to allegations of impropriety raised by both Opposition leader Sir Mekere Morauta and Eastern Highlands Governor Malcolm Kela-Smith.
    Sir Michael said when it came to climate change finance, neither domestic stakeholders nor the international community would permit all climate change funds to be paid to consolidated revenues as the leader of the Opposition had proposed along with certain governors.
    “This is a flawed and ill-conceived proposal that will only lead to failure,” he said.
    The Prime Minister said a significant portion of such funds would legally belong to the people of PNG.
    For example, forest resources belonged to the people, not the Government, he said.
    “How could my government try to capture 100% of the revenues when we have no legal basis over the forests or ability to control decisions related to their use?”
    He said the international community would never allow climate change funds to be gobbled up totally by the government bureaucracy with limited transparency and accountability.
    “Following many other precedents within our legal structure for engagement with the private sector, only associated income taxes and or royalties will likely be paid into consolidated revenues.
    “Therefore, with this regard to managing the financial requirements associated with adaptation and mitigation needs, my government has requested that an independent climate change trust be
    established,” Sir Michael said.

    1. This document is fraudulent.
      The truth will appear in PNG this coming week.
      The Australian Government or any other Government will not be using the Forests of PNG for their own use.
      Landowners will not entertain any Land Grabs.

  9. This is a very interesting event that has unfolded in PNG amidst all the controversies surrounding carbon trading. I doubt the trio carbon sink seers who spearheaded this are genuinely doing this for the good of the people & for the objective purpose. If in their hearts they know that the commitment is for a kickback, then I wish I have the authority to send them to hell!!! burn you sick liers,

    why can’t people tell the truth. good negotiations & deals are concluded after informative forums etc…, both sides of the agenda is scrutinised, then people make a vote on their choice & majority decides the fate of all. Hopefully, the Pangia people have made an informed decision.

  10. What Robert of Nupon Ltd & Dave of Carbon Planet are good for is being the middle men, the graft term for it is “consultants” on VOLUNTARY CARBON TRADE. They have vested interest for huge corporates in the developed countries, meaning they secure sink holes for these giant companies to keep polluting the Globe with mass emissions of CO2.

    Using the secured land boundaries & ILGs, Nupon & CP submit claims to the corporates agencies for whatever the magic numbers & computations, the money they get, they pay your forest owners a percentage, pigmy mamas value of the money, & people keep sucking at them dairy boobs…

    1. Kafu Peg,
      Robert I can assure you works for him self.
      He has 17 Scientists and a managing Professor and 2 Econimists working for him.
      Robert started the commercial Carbon Trading originating process in PNG which is now leading the World , I have been shown under strict confidence, Robert’s process.
      Carbon Planet is of 1 contractor Nupan uses.
      Robert works for himself and the People of the Forest Areas not large corporate companies.
      I have studied your blogs and advice you of writing so much incorrect information which is a question that now appears , what is your real agenda and who do you repersent?

  11. PNG joins UN-REDD

    What affect will this have on the voluntary agreements described above?

    Developing countries unite under UN agency to counter deforestation

    By Sakina Shakil

    THE INTERNATIONAL

    MONDAY NOVEMBER 16, 2009

    With five years left to fulfill the UN Millennium Development Goals (MDGs), the United Nations has stepped up its fight for environmental sustainability by creating an agency specially tasked with protecting the world’s forests, namely the United Nations Collaborative Programme on Reducing Emissions from Deforestation and Forest Degradation (UN-REDD).

    According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), nearly 20 per cent of global greenhouse gas emissions come from activities related to deforestation, such as agricultural expansion, infrastructure development, and the conversions of forest to pasture land. Launched in September 2008, UN-REDD targets deforestation and forest degradation by creating financial incentives for developing countries to invest in more sustainable forms of development, and reverse the growing trend of deforestation. It does this by distributing financial contributions from donor countries to UN-REDD member countries. Thus far, donor countries include Norway and Denmark, which have pledged US$35 million and US$2 million respectively. By offering financial assistance, UN-REDD aims to assist member countries in devising alternative developmental strategies that can counter deforestation.

    The programme’s latest success was the decision by Argentina, Cambodia, Ecuador, Nepal, and Sri Lanka to join the initiative. With the five-country addition, there are now 14 UN-REDD member countries. The initial nine members are: Bolivia, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Indonesia, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Tanzania, Vietnam, and Zambia

    Controversy and UN-REDD

    Sustainable forest management has become an important issue recently, specifically because of the seventh MDG, which is committed to ensuring environmental sustainability. UN-REDD is the first UN initiative focused solely on sustainable forest management. However, the duration of its existence has not been unmarred. Controversy arose in the past month surrounding the language of UN-REDD provisions.

    On the last day of the UN climate talks in Bangkok, Thailand in October, the European Union, with the support of the Democratic Republic of Congo, Cameroon, and Equatorial New Guinea, blocked the inclusion of the phrase “safeguards against the conversion of natural forests to forest plantations” within UN-REDD’s treaty language. The Ecosystems Climate Alliance (ECA), a coalition of environmental and socially conscious non-governmental organizations, called the phrase essential to the programmes’s ability to stem deforestation, stating that its absence could result in “industrial-scale logging and replacement of tropical forests with pulp or palm oil plantations.” Moreover, the ECA said the absence of the phrase also means that plantations could be funded by money intended to help developing countries reduce greenhouse gas emissions from deforestation, forest degradation, and peat land destruction.

    According to Reuters, in the aftermath of the conference, the European Commission’s chief negotiator called the block “an unfortunate mishap,” and 20 countries were in favour of restoring the phrase. The issue was up for renegotiation during the Barcelona Climate Change Talks in November, the last major UN climate conference before the international Copenhagen conference in December, which aims to get countries to agree on a universal treaty to curb global warming. The Barcelona talks, however, ended with little progress; the Irish Times reported that while the phrase was revised, two separate, weakened options were suggested, and none of the proposed wording has been fully agreed upon and instated.

    UN-REDD has also been criticized for neglecting rights of indigenous forest communities. Rainforest Foundation Norway has voiced disapproval that there is no explicit wording in the UN-REDD treaty ensuring indigenous rights, and expressed the belief that the programme’s proposals undermined the rights guaranteed to indigenous groups under existing international agreements. Ms Joji Carino, the director of the Indigenous People’s International Center for Policy Research and Education, said that, she believes that programmes like UN-REDD can lead to land claims and the eviction of indigenous people. “There are growing conflicts between indigenous peoples and both forestry companies and conservation organizations,” she said in a press conference, according e! Science News. Ms Carino continued: “Imposed forest management initiatives are only viable if they respect the customary rights of forest peoples and ensure they have control about what happens on their lands. Indigenous people must be accepted as full and fair participants in all climate negotiations.”

    Furthermore, some believe that the initiative will be susceptible to corruption. The Guardian reports that the UN-REDD programme will be open to wide abuses, largely because countries are allowed to trade carbon stored in their forests. Mr Peter Younger, Interpol’s environment crimes specialist, told the Guardian: “Fraud could include claiming credits for forests that do not exist or were not protected or by land grabs. It starts with bribery or intimidation of officials, then there’s threats and violence against those people.” His views on the problem were supported by the recent suspension of Papua New Guinea’s climate change minister, who allegedly gave out US$100 million in fake carbon credits in exchange for forest protection support.

    Funding and forest protection

    In addition to storing more than 1 trillion tons of the world’s carbon, forests purify water, protect soils, prevent floods and droughts, and are home to the majority of the world’s land-based species. With deforestation activities and forest degradation accounting for nearly 20 per cent of global greenhouse gas emissions, which is more than the emissions from the world’s cars, trucks, ships, and planes combined, forest protection has become critical to achieving environmental sustainability.

    One of the long-term goals of UN-REDD – which arose out of partnership between the UN Food and Agriculture Organziation (FAO), the UN Development Programme (UNDP), and the UN Environment Programme (UNEP) – includes generating up to US$30 billion a year from developed countries to offer developing countries aid in reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

    In March, UN-REDD announced that five of its member countries – Democratic Republic of Congo, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, Tanzania, and Vietnam – would receive US$18 million in funding. Currently, UN-REDD is campaigning to raise additional funds for the program in an effort to see tangible outcomes. In September, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called for a major cash injection into the programme. In a meeting with representatives of 70 countries, Mr Ban stated, “We now need to mobilize further funding for REDD and establish transparent systems to distribute payments and measure results,”

  12. Hi Tim,
    That is good for you to read Robert’s plan. If I missed the blog, could you enlighten some of us on the plan.

    I am a forest owner, trying to create an ILG for my thousand acres of forested landmass. But, I will lodge my interest when the sky is clear, you can ride cloud 9 if you want bro, some of us will join later. Right now we are putting a FULL STOP TO LOGGING.

    Thanks Peter for the report.

  13. ‘Onya Kafu,

    Until the real situation about carbon trading is revealed, any decision must be premature. It would be a crying shame if the benefits of leaving the forest where it is were not fully examined and appreciated by all owners before any decision is made about a possible economic value of the trees.

    Once the trees are gone, they can’t be brought back and the chances are they will be far more valuable if they are left standing than if they are sold for a relative song now.

  14. Kafu,

    That’s a beautiful summary of the carbon debate from the forest owners’ perspective.

    Paul,

    You’re OK mate. Saw ‘greenie caps’ arguments against yours in the other thread on this blog and couldn’t believe that someone with ‘greenie cap’s’ intelligence was writing those crap.

    Stap wantaim yutla.

  15. Heya Paul, that’s very true. I totally agree with your comments, personally, I think PNG shall advocate the values of being a forest nation.

    Also agree with Anada Dave that ‘greenie cap’ has let his emotions run wild, we are on the same side: STOP DEFORESTATION, and appreciate the benefits & values of forest, life on planet earth depends on it.

  16. To all and guess the question that has been asked many times throurgh out PNG.
    What does Kirk Roberts know about Carbon Trading?
    I have investigate this from the start to the present.
    Kirk Roberts inherited the concept from his father a wise enviromentlist and very familiar with PNG and other Pacific countries.
    Roberts travelled and comunicated his entensions with Landownwers.
    According to Roberts most elderly Landowners who have wittnessed ‘logging’ never wanted to see logging ever again, now this decission has been passed down to their children.
    Roberts then explored the numerous steps to commercialise the ‘Rain Forests’
    he has now completed the “REDD Methodological Module” to estimate carbon stocks,Improved Forest Management Methodology Framework and the Voluntary Carbon Standard project description template for of the whole of PNG.
    Meanwhile Governments are wasteing planet time and millions of dollars to participate at COP15 and UNFCCC delays in structuring a system.

    Roberts has ignored the above as he knows that the UNFCCC has only its own interests first.Its simple the UNFCCC are expensive and have huge costs, why should this be burdened to forest owners of PNG.

    The UNFCCC or Governments of countries cannot ask their biggest admitters to pay more than their present tax if they want to stay in politics.
    Governments are now trying to obtain a ‘offset’ or Carbon Unit or Credit from countries like PNG for a barttering price, that is what the Blue print for Mexico is about another referal for time.
    An annoucement from the Australian Government today has revield that they want to use Roberts Methodologies.
    ciao

  17. Thanks greenie cap.

    What I am grappling with is the commercial recognition of this asset/liability, depending on which side of the ledger you sit.

    Leaving aside the politics of it all, there is a real accounting issue associated with the legal recognition of this new ‘commodity’. If there is a lack of a proper unified measurement protocol in place to measure and book its value, then we will get inconsistent values across the globe for the same commodity.

    The requirement for a global framework is so that it then will give rise to a legal basis on which the International Financial Reporting Standards can be designed to properly account for the value of the commodity. From this perspective, Voluntary Carbon Trade does not make sense.

    And without such a credible accounting mechanism in place, how do PNG landowners know that they are getting real value for their forests? There’ll be millions of different value propositions floating around for the same block of forests. Chaotic!

    1. No, No,

      Listen carefully,

      Nupan has constructured the, “REDD Methodological Module” ‘Estimation of Carbon Stocks in the above-ground biomass carbon pool, this module has been validated by International verifiers to the third verification process with excellent results.

      Each forest area as an Incorporation will calculate its own carbon sink through the descibed module.
      Each calculation will become a Voluntary Carbon Unit which will be valued by an International market price.
      VCU will then be sold for that price.
      Each Incorporation will then pay its Incorporated obliged tax to the PNG Government.
      Each Incorporation will submitt its infrustructure requirements with its own local Joint Budget Committee which will assist the Incorporations to complete to ‘operational works completition’.
      Please people all your questions and concerns have been addressed over the last 4 years, as has been reported by the developer.

      Monetary control stays with the Incorporations owned by the forest people.

      1. How does someone like CP, whom I gather is a publicly listed company, quantify and book the value of its asset in PNG if there isn’t a universally agreed accounting mechanism to do this?

        How does Nupan, for that matter, quantify the value of its investment if proper accounting standards have not yet been developed to book the value of carbon trade? And most importantly, by what benchmarks will these values be audited against if there isn’t a clear accounting framework around this commodity?

        If they are not ‘auditable’, then how do we know CP, Nupan and any other middle men’s remuneration for your services are fair?

        There is a real commercial aspect to it when carbon becomes a tradeable commodity, and accounting standards must first be developed to properly account for its value and to facilitate the trade in a fair and reasonable manner.

  18. Thank you Anada,

    Em true. Monetary side of carbon trade is still a complex issue. Now we know the whole world want to buy the carbon sink, forests being the ‘commodity’ of balance of what has been taken for granted for centuries.

    It irks me deeper thinking about the underlying cause, pollution; Is the world really addressing reduction of pollution emission of harmful gases? NO!!!

    I need someone to explain how pollution is reduced by keeping one side stagnant; application of REDD. Newton’s laws of equilibrium can be applied here; if the world keeps expanding its empires, leaving it to the forest nations and those who care to keep the balance, I think the real issue is not addressed by carbon trade.

    1. Ok, Peg,
      to answer your question accuratley could be this scinario.

      we should destroy ‘ALL the forests and their bio-mass’ then come to your haus and monitor the affects and calculate the rest of you and family excistance.
      we could then answer these questions.
      The amount of harmful gases and general breakdowns.

      The enviroment is unblanced its simple, if you have travelled the world as I then you would have a better idea, any natural bio – mass that can be preserved must be without questions.

  19. LMAO…hahaha… greenie cap you sound like a little girl

    Put it this way, once the destruction occurs, mother earth & nature for that matter would take care of itself. Only human beings like you would perish under your own cause, man created the pollution so man in the likes of you must suffer, the earth will just revolve into something else

    You can burn…at least I still have some trees to hide under!!!

    1. Idiot when the Planet becomes as you describe then you and your trees with everybody else will perish into ashes.
      Sound like a girl hey, or someone who is aiming in the right direction.
      Peg you say I sound like a girl but I can assure you I hit like a jackhammer, be careful of your useless comments.
      Another point for you to consider ,you do not have any of the amount of trees owned my me and my family so again control your idiotic comments.

  20. Greenie cap,
    You must be a woman I am assuming, full of emotion. You are one of those emotional environmental fanatics, the greens group maybe.

    The problems is, people like to fail to view things from all angles, good & bad, pros & cons. My last comment about application of REDD was that, developed countries are not reducing CO2 emission pollution, REDD is a somewhat a ‘smoke screen” to keep polluting the air with their huge corp firms.

    Mate, you got no patience. Nobody owns my free space on this planet, Don’t force me or push me. I know what is right & what I’m doing but not too emotional like some of you.

    1. unfortunlatley you are very confused, and your comment about ‘application of REDD is a perfect example of your confusion.

      Please It would be better for me to ignor you from now on.

  21. greenie cap,
    you’ve just described yourself in detail…ignorant, a bigot & snobby fanatic

    since your are such a person, I’ll ignore you too

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